As above, I added a 500 series panel and edited another to give it the "Blank Panel" tag, neither now appear.
Modules in question: https://www.blacklionaudio.com/store/accessories/black-lion-audio-500-series-beer-opener/
https://www.cranborne-audio.com/vintagewallpaper
Cheers
I have been using a BeatStep Pro to sequence my modular system for almost eight years and after such heavy use it has started to show some wear. In this video I take apart my BSP and give it a little TLC to fix the issues:
Thanks Gill for the input. I had looked at the Klavis Twin Waves as both an OSC as well as a source for FMing my other OSCs.
Will have to look into it again as it seems more than capable and being digital with extra wave shapes is very nice.
I would start with intelijell 62 hp palette case. Add the Umidi CV interface tile, and a mono output 1u tile. So 450-500 would get you started.
Right now it’s set to an aux send from the preformance mixer. Typicallly use it for some tame impala type drum fills or phasing the crash/ride/hihats
@wishbonebrewery thanks for the suggestion. I'm using Ghost in my current drum rack, and a bit of reverb (and delay) can indeed enrich the upper percussions nicely. I've been thinking of how to include Ghost in the concept in this thread, but it haven't been important enough for the space it requires.
I should also note that I have a "global" reverb, i.e. a reverb pedal that I've connected to my mixer's AUX, so I can mix it in with any of the channels. The only drawback with this setup is that I usually need to reroute my kick drum to another channel in the global mixer, so for that reason I might include something like the 2hp Verb. I'll keep it in mind ^_^
Had a listen last night, good stuff.
-- wishbonebrewery
Thank you, appreciated.
Cheers, i could certainly play for hours. I'm going to trawl eBay for things to make a noise box out of.
Enjoy your spare HP, don't rush to fill every last space, this is not like filling sticker books. Resist the urge to 'complete' your rack, its never complete so just relax.
Hey there,
during the past years i had a lot of fun with Semimodular Stuff (Crave, Neutron, Pro1, Model D), SQ64, Sequential Pro 3.
Now i get interested to build my first Modular FX Rack to mangle the sounds of my Hardware and Ableton far more.
I read a bit, watched some vids. This is what i came up with.
Do i missed important stuff? Do I have unnecessary duplicates?
Would like to hear your critique and further ideas, Book / YT / Blog Recommendations are also welcome :o)
THX & Cheers!
I've been meaning to do this for a while....
You might have to crank up the volume on this a bit, with the feedback on the reverbs the occasional part can get a bit hot.
Using the Music Thing Microphonie to preamp the Piezo pickup, put it through a low Pass filter to wipe off some of the high end before going into Mimeophon, then out of Mimeophon into Clouds Reverb. Then also out from the Filter into the tipTop Zverb for a bit of extra Shimmer reverb.
I want to build a couple of sound boxes so i can bow / pluck / scratch / strum / rattle my way to weirdness! A wood box and a metal box ideally.
Using the little 4TRG from Cubusynth to ad probability to mimeophon's Flip button.
Enjoy your spare HP, don't rush to fill every last space, this is not like filling sticker books. Resist the urge to 'complete' your rack, its never complete so just relax.
Not that I can comment on everything but spotted your 'No Effects', I keep a 2HP Verb in my percussion case for Hats & Claps I find it just finished off the sound nicely when you need it and it obviously only takes up 2hp.
-- wishbonebrewery
There's an Intellijel 1U effects unit in there.
Gotcha. Insomnia again and just caught this reply.
Goodbye Forever. ✌️
Get rid of that ugly "reCAPTCHA" popout at the bottom of the screen, that is the only mildly irritating thing about ModularGrid, everything is is lovely and a great help.
Cheers
Enjoy your spare HP, don't rush to fill every last space, this is not like filling sticker books. Resist the urge to 'complete' your rack, its never complete so just relax.
Not that I can comment on everything but spotted your 'No Effects', I keep a 2HP Verb in my percussion case for Hats & Claps I find it just finished off the sound nicely when you need it and it obviously only takes up 2hp.
Enjoy your spare HP, don't rush to fill every last space, this is not like filling sticker books. Resist the urge to 'complete' your rack, its never complete so just relax.
kinda wondering what happened to @Fruarse . did he stop caring? ... ...
-- singular_sound
Yep
Had a listen last night, good stuff.
Enjoy your spare HP, don't rush to fill every last space, this is not like filling sticker books. Resist the urge to 'complete' your rack, its never complete so just relax.
kinda wondering what happened to @Fruarse . did he stop caring? ... ...
...
anyway, before i leave forever, somebody mentioned 'site scraping bot troubles' and,
so, i thought it might be 'helpful' to mention Anubis. ... "it helps you sleep at night." ... ...
https://xeiaso.net/notes/2025/anubis-works/
goodbye cruel modulargrid, peace. ✌️😎✌️
If you have not decieded yet, Klavis twin waves should be on your watch list also. I got mine specifically for doing the whole fm thing for my other oscillatiors.. All the basic functions are on the front panel. No menu diving. It has octave switching as well. Being Digital it has crap-ton of wave shapes, with a built in wavefolder Sense it contains twin oscillators, the second one is normalled to through zero FM. If you don't have a though-zero oscillator it would be a good introduction into it. personally I use the second oscillator as a noise source into a submixer for my analog oscillator.
just, in case anybody didnt get my point, about what i actually want to have fully resolved here at the end of this thread, is:
I am saying, if we went back to the days where 'computer' was a name of a human job, it might take one human and one room to emulate what one 'parameter' does, and; we are about to have trillions of parameters so that the argument that: 'LLMs can never understand nuance, because a room could never understand nuance' does not hold, because this "room" would be way effing bigger than it even makes sense to think about, and it basically would not even be a room at that point. Sorry for the derail.
Peace. Out.
🧐
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sorry i got un-laid-back just there. i have a long standing slightly different perspective than that of 'chalmers'. got triggered. etc....
peace
i just wanted to have substantive dialogue about design and it felt like i was getting a bunch of one-line quips; guilty: i was not intending to immediately build the case designs i first posted. guilty: i was trying to have fun, and maybe not take this forum seriously enough as a serious place. guilty: i could have not let not-what-im-looking-for advice get to me, as much, when this is just an enthusiast forum. but, i swear, you had equally ample opportunity to just drop this, as well. peace, ... ... ... ... ... ... out, ... ... ... ... ... ...
It kind of just seems like you wanted only compliments and no criticism, which was not going to happen because people were under the impression you were going to buy this stuff, and if people's differing opinons could dissuade you this easily, your concept may not have been as sturdy as you thought. If you get advice you don't need, just ignore it. You don't have to argue against their vision. It doesn't cancel yours out somehow.
If you look back at your old posts, you can see pretty easily where it derailed. You can actually go to your profile and look back at all of them.
-- Zacksname
all i see is, me saying: "nah, @Zacksname, that specific feedback is not exactly what i had in mind." then, you grilling me endlessly about my 'life purpose' etc. look for yourself.
peace ✌️
If you look back at your old posts, you can see pretty easily where it derailed. You can actually go to your profile and look back at all of them.
After reading up on some of the modules, I've created another iteration:
Most notably is that I've taken out the Metron sequencer and Mutant Clap, swapped out the Performance Mixer for Cosmix Pro, re-added the Scrooge, and added Scrat and Messor.
The Numeric Repetitor and Traffic (thanks for the suggestion, looks really interesting) will help with rhythm generation. Scrooge can help with sequencing as well (I've added a 4hp blank panel as stand-in for Della next to it), and of course Pam's can help with sequencing as well. The Numeric Repetitor is a module I already own, and I'm glad that it found it's place into this rack. I think it could be a very interesting module to combine with Traffic and DPLPG.
Cosmix Pro "only" has six channels (and only two are stereo), so I had to take out one of the drums. Mutant Clap was the one that I was least interested in, but it "solved" a problem I had: I really want Mutant Hihats, and it's 13hp... those odd numbered modules can be frustrating =P So when I discovered Scrat, which is 9hp, it solved that problem, in addition to sounding really awesome. It might be awkward to have two filters, but I think Steve's and Scrat both bring enough to the table. Also, I agree that the clap can be handled by Rample, so out it went.
And again, thanks for suggesting the Messor, I think it will work very nicely as a glue compressor for the whole rack ^_^
is there a way to add photos of any different gear to patch planner? i have the Minibrute 2S with the 6U rackbrute, and i will be patching them together extensively
I did not come on here to:
Start a big debate about 'AI and consciousness'.
Get into a totally pointless argument with @Zacksname.
Harass The Admins about features that don't work perfectly for 'me'.
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I came on here, to:
"Have a 'fun' dialogue about design and modular synthesis, as a eurorack noob."
...
Honestly, ... i cant even remember the place where exactly this all derailed, like it is. I am fully intending to 'leave forever' unless any 1 has a post about my 'thought-experiment'.
😣
@Zacksname I thought, you might have gotten the impression that i thought you were a fraud, and refused to listen to anything you would say, but, in reality, I just had certain design criteria that your advice was not factoring in, and i still feel a 'pay for tokens' automated configuration design assistant would be good for 'modulargrid', because i remain convinced that it would have offered an experience that just one dedicated enthusiast could not provide for possibly a few many users who might find this website fleetingly on a whim, but who would still desire to 'fully demo' the case creation features of this website. Etcetera.
peace
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yous guiz own the data. everyone is saying data is the new gold. why dont yall mine your own gold and offer an ai service that charges whats ethical. im talking business.
p e a c e 💐✌️💐🛸
(hi zacksname. i dont hate you. i dont even know where you got that idea from, etc. ...)
again, i felt this deserved its own full post.
The thought experiment goes: "Let's say, a big tech corporation discovered new mind-amplification technology, and they 'decided' to automate the process of using this to their own advantage using the tech-pipeline that they already control, and that this could be made analogous to how some ad placement procedures already function; how would we, as a whole society, get to influence how this 'automated-xavier' uses 'these abilities' that the big tech players dont want you to know they have, or exist?" It is 'brand new work'.
I did not come on to ""modulargrid.net"" to discuss specifically this, but do comment if you think you can share any constructive criticism. I doubt i can convince @Fruarse .
peace
I'm pretty impressed that this somehow got worse while I was asleep.
Good stuff, thx!
“You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche
One is a thought experiment. It deals with imaginary, impossible to replicate scenarios, and it serves to prove a point of view by means of articulating an argument. Also, who says you couldn't build a real world chinese room scenario? But that's not the point.
-- Fruarse
It is the point, because what i am saying, is that the way that what i have described as 'working' AI models are programmed, is in a way loosely inspired, not identical, and with some extra math and computer science thrown in, by physical human neurons, and if you wanted to somehow turn 'that', what is already being built, into some kind of manual card filing system, there would literally not even be enough "rooms" on earth to implement anything close to it.
I do not think this forum should just replace zacksname with an LLM. I am saying it is my opinion that with how my experience with specifically Claude 3.7 Sonnet has gone, that I think that there is reasonable opportunity for 'this forum' to benefit from something like that being integrated, "if the admins even want to".
Sorry, but I more believe in the "Automated Professor Xavier's Psychic Helmet" thought experiment, which puts forward that the infotech sphere might be already creating more psychic amplification type effects than it even realizes, and from this point of view, in fact, the most urgent point of order is actually to 'train the algorithm' that we all already live with, to behave more like that character, Professor Xavier, would. It is my own work. I did not intend to derail my own thread, but "it's an issue, I work on". Etc. ...
(I know an LLM is not a human, but i value helpful knowledge, and AIs are improving.)
P E A C E .
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im sorry if anyone felt disrespected... i just had an idea about how to use this forum to discuss general design, related to ideas in my head, but i guess yalls mods are just too wiggled to put up with that kind of nonsense
...
peace 💐
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the 'point' of 'my' thought experiment is: "its not a question whether or not the algorithm is like a human or not and in what ways, the question is... knowing that billions of 'action type decisions' are already being transacted autonomously every minute, ... how can we coax what-we-already-have to behave, at the very least, as ethically as the leader of 'the x-men'." you can respond to 'that' if you want, @Fuarse , if that even is your real name. ...
Peace. 🫠
looking good! 7u intellijel is my case - i moved the top row to the middle row just like here.
I'd swap out kraken for pams and mutant clap for something else + veils v2. You can move those types of percussion to rample. 1u Noise tools is a great module, good shout there!
No problem! Happy to help. Would love to hear what you come up with!
Enjoy the journey! As i said been ive been doing this for a couple of years and i feel like i keep uncovering stuff. It's an awesome hobby.
ps. if you havent already (apologies if you kmow these concepts!) highly recomend looking at through zero fm + a low pass gate for percussion. Also research traffic. Bloody useful for creating different percussion sounds from one source. I regret selling mine.
I can't believe I have to write this...
One is a thought experiment. It deals with imaginary, impossible to replicate scenarios, and it serves to prove a point of view by means of articulating an argument. Also, who says you couldn't build a real world chinese room scenario? But that's not the point.
In the other case, simply because an algorithm claims to "mimic neurons" doesn't mean that a piece of silicon, however complex it might be, however complex the predetermined amount of electricity running through it is, programmed according to our incomplete understanding of how a neuron works makes it comparable to an actual neuron.
Sure, it might work, but simply because it does in one instance it doesn't mean it can be generalized to everything. It working for YOU once or twice or x times for YOUR problems does not make it an universal solution.
One is continuous, one is discrete. One is mathematical proof, one is commercial branding. One is a living organism, the other is baked sand ffs.
One more point i feel deserves its own whole post:
You cannot actually build a "room" that operates in that way described. Frontier AI is actually more designed in a way similar to the structure of 'human neurons'. That is why the most leading figures in the field are all 'neuroscientists'. The whole premise is flawed, in my view. Like: "If you had to build a cpu out of scuba tank regulators, then it would be too big to even think about, there fore, there is no relationship between 'regulators' and 'transistors'." (there is.)
Like, the way LLMs are typically built to be implemented on a CPU, you would need a whole "room" just to calculate one neuron.
(I, somewhat publicly, have a slightly different view than "Chalmers". I dont want to get into a big 'what is consciousness' debate here on 'modulargrid', but the point I am trying to make is: hey, got good results with Claude, maybe, if 'yall' no-code add it to your site, you could drive "premium subs".)
I have said enough. Lets agree to disagree.
🛸
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attn: @Fruarse
{so he gets the 'notification'.}
p e a c e .
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OK, I guess 'all' the leading figures aren't neuroscientists, but Nobel Prize winner Demis Hassabis is, and, so are quite a few other people on the former 'Google Brain' team. If you want to nit-pick, there are also a lot of pure mathematicians and computer scientists in the frey, but, fundamentally I just don't buy that correctly automating some knowledge work is never a good idea even though at this point the technology has almost completely proved itself. Etcetera.
Just. A. Suggestion. Peace. 💐
I appreciate all the feedback - there's a lot of modules that I'll read up on, the drum machine will evolve more before it's final state, that's for sure (if there even is such as thing as "complete" with eurorack systems =P )
There's a lot of modulation in the second iteration for sure, and I wouldn't end up with such a beast in the real world, as I would buy it piece by piece over a long time, and would find the soft spot long before something like this. That said, I could probably skip half of the mirrored modules and still have enough. And I do enjoy the use of 1U-modules that was suggested earlier, so I did another iteration, this time with 7u + 104hp:
I swapped the Performance Mixer mk2 with mk1, as it is much smaller, and should be enough for this set of modules. I like this setup, but just so it's explicitly said: I probably won't end up with this. I plan to buy modules one by one over a long time, and interests will change with experience and research, so who knows where I'll end up. That's part of the fun with modular synth for me ^_^
I might throw out Metron altogether, as it is quite big for such a case, and rely on the Oxi One as sequencer for drums. With the freed up space I could add back Pam's, which could handle the work of handling accents (thanks for the advice, hadn't thought of that), hell, I might even add back Scrooge (I'm fond of the idea of the other drum modules handling "traditional" electro drum sounds, and the Scrooge just adding chaos and cool details) and their new extension, Della, and use Scrooge as the off-load sequencer. But I just saw Cinematic Laboratory's video on it, so I need to understand it better first (hopefully it will be added to MG soon).
All to say - who knows where I'll end up wrt the drum machine. The exploration is part of the fun, and thanks again for the feedback, it gives me even more ideas ^_^
i feel like the 100 grit is kind of hogging the rig now and doing most of the routing
im just saying, i did the experiment. claude gave me the kind of feedback i was looking for. zacksname came off as hostile to me. i have a diagnosis. (much different than your clocks and flooding analogy, and with fine tuning on 'the data yall could scrape from yourself', the output could keep getting better and better, almost automatically.) im not saying the whole website is broken. im sharing my opinion of how it could be made better. if the admins had any inclination to do this in the first place, then all i did was share a helpful link. "im helping". peace out.
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i get it. ... MLOps is not free, but, maybe with Calude 3.75 it will be 'almost' free. peace out.
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and yes, it is, of course, a completely fair point that i can just separately use claude in the claude app, but im saying the experience would be more seamless, and available to the average user, if the admins leveraged their own data, and offered some kind of built in chatbot service, requiring minimum total oversight, that might even, perhaps, prove to be a driver of 'upgrades to pro'. im not a moron who thinks you should replace all toaster ovens with an llm. im sharing my feedback in regards to user experience. ...
(((peace out. ✌️)))
final edit:
(i didnt mean to offend anyone. im just a modular noob trying to use a forum. 🤖 )
No arguments here, I am sharing my point of view like you are sharing yours, maybe with a bit more awareness of what it is you are shouting about. We are following through a discussions, just like you intended, but if you are not willing to accept what others are saying to you, a different point of view backed by reason and arguments, what's the point?
Claude 3.7 does 'work', regardless of how 'identical it is' to human grey matter, and there is a philosophy called the patternist perspective that makes this whole argument irrelevant.
-- singular_sound
Again, a broken clock is right twice a day. It's the equivalent of saying that flooding my apartment is a valid strategy to clean the coffee stain off my floor because it "works"
i am not going to aim suborbital ion cannons at the admins until they listen to all my suggestions, im just pointing out that with all the push toward democratizing advanced ai technologies, all of these things are becoming more and more affordable, with more and more of the tasks, such as verifying that patch points detected by algorithms in the image data are true patch points, ... are becoming things you 'can' delegate to the now becoming increasingly more inexpensive reasoning models.
-- singular_sound
Nobody is implying you are "aiming subortital ion cannons at the admins" (even though I have to admit the first things that comes to mind is some sort of twisted technofetishism). Democratization of technology is one thing, useless abuse is another. I think it's about time to start understanding the differences without throwing around fancy words without thinking for once of the consequences.
If you really want "AI", big tech most likely scraped this website to death. Nobody is stopping you to open your beloved Claude 3.7 on a different browser window and go wild.
Edit in response to your edit.
It is well known that Modulargrid is not optimized for mobile devices, but that is another can of worms that AI surely won't fix.
yikes. arguments on the internet. something i try to avoid. all fair points, but like, Claude 3.7 does 'work', regardless of how 'identical it is' to human grey matter, and there is a philosophy called the patternist perspective that makes this whole argument irrelevant. i am not going to aim suborbital ion cannons at the admins until they listen to all my suggestions, im just pointing out that with all the push toward democratizing advanced ai technologies, all of these things are becoming more and more affordable, with more and more of the tasks, such as verifying that patch points detected by algorithms in the image data are true patch points, ... are becoming things you 'can' delegate to the now becoming increasingly more inexpensive reasoning models.
i dont like getting into big arguments on the internet, i just wanted to share my opinion.
:(
Peace.
(@Fruarse)
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and yes, i did just take the longer-than-you-might-think amount of time to program in a patch configuration on this site, using an android device, and it 'was not fun'. there were a lot of 'bugs' as in 'things that bugged me' and, i know that has more to do about the built in android gesture detection logic, and is not 'the fault of the admins', but im claiming that an ai overhaul would be an all round more enjoyable experience, at least on this device. am i wrong? peace out. ✌️
You are entitled to your opinion @Fruarse , but can you not agree that if ai at least detected patch points on the module graphics, you could implement an interface that would create a much more seamless experience in posting patch configurations?
-- singular_sound
I know I'm entitled to my opinion, otherwise why would I bother writing it down?
Also, what you understand as patch points on a module is nothing but an array of pixels to a digital computer. An algorithm by definition "does not know" like you and I do. Sure, you can maybe train a model to detect them on a manufacturer's basis, assuming all inputs and outputs share the same graphical properties... But it would still need to be supervised, which defeats the whole purpose.
But what happens when some panels have very fine details that are lost in the image upload? You need the resolution to resolve them in order for the training to be somewhat effective. What about different manufacturers, that maybe apply the same logic for input and output, but in reverse?
And, at the end of the day, is all this worth it just because you can't be bothered with spending that extra 0,5 seconds dragging the patch cable to the appropriate patch point?
I fundamentally disagree with the Chinese Room theoretical premise. I personally believe it is not even possible to create such a room without somehow also in some sense copying the relevant structure from a human brain, thereby implying that 'the room understands Chinese'.
-- singular_sound
If you believe a piece of silicon with some electricity running through it executing a predetermined set of instruction that can be reduced to the manipulation of digits is somehow/somewhat comparable to human intelligence... I warmly suggest you do your homework ;)
I just think a certain usefulness threshold has been crossed, and would personally rather get an instant reply from Claude 3.7, than a reply 2 days later, from, say, @zacksname .
-- singular_sound
You are assuming the computer programme to provide you with an accurate answer. Sure, maybe a real person's answer also wouldn't be, but at least a human "knows" what it is talking about and not just regurgitating words without knowing what they mean.
If perhaps only the Haiku model was used, all accounts were limited to one use per day or week, and the right kind of data sharing toward mutual advancement deal could be struck, this could likely be implemented nearly free with very little impact. Etcetera.
-- singular_sound
Who's going to pay for the training, hosting, electricity bills, deployment and upkeep costs? You?
I do not think it is possible to convince everyone to love our new AI overlords.
-- singular_sound
And rightfully so, your can keep your so called "AI overlords" to yourself ;)
hey, thats my design. the interface was fighting me in extreme ways on this android device, but i sketched up a quick patch to show you more what i was thinking, in therms of the mixing already being well sufficient. the kermit was intended as a sample and hold, and i just like the general concept of trying to use a clocky for drum sequencing, even if maybe i am still not completely sure the best way to do that. right now i am thinking stackable cables where signal is doubled to the mandala.
here is that sketch:
https://modulargrid.net/e/patches/view/125206
peace ✌️
I just want to design cool stuff, and talk about design, and enjoy a little community, related to modular synthesis, in a low pressure environment, like I'm pretty sure I have told you at least twice, already. Yes, i have aspirations of mod wiggling my own rig. No, i do not have any immediate actionable plans towards that. The "Wumpus" module idea i shared in a previous thread, that could even toggle between ar and lfo, was something i had already previously built myself in pd. Why are you so hostile to me posting that sort of thing? Why, after posting: "Hey, do yall think this is a cool case or not?" did i get the impression of: "Naw. Get money and build something or your not worth our time." ??? Instead, that all could have been a fun AI experience using a built in chat interface. You probably havent even tried Claude 3.7 Sonnet, have you "zack" ? Try it out. There is an android app. You get about 5 free queries a day. Anthropic behaves ethically. Etcetera.
Peace.
I am no more certain of what your goal is here than I was a year ago, but I am more suspicious than ever that something more than trolling is going on. Probably nothing of importance, really, but that just makes it even more confusing.
I do not use the internet to start arguments, @zacksname . I just had an idea about mod wiggling four melodic voices sequenced by a brainstep, and yall basically told me to go back to kindergarten and made fun of me for not having $6,000. What if four melodic voices is what a brainstep craves """zack""".
Peace Out. ✌️🙃✌️
I would have, if i was ready to start planning a case, but it is a detail that i was confused about, that you missed an opportunity to help clarify for me, that if there was an on site bot that I could dialogue with, that i asked for help putting things together, could have just resolved this in the natural flow of things. I came on here as a noob wanting to bounce around ideas about design concepts and was treated with hostility. AI would have had emotional sensitivity training. What the eff makes you still think that there is zero chance I will ever become a modular performer @zacksname , its just disrespect.
(I did google it. Google actually did give me the right answer as the first result, which i wasnt expecting, because tbh i barely trust Google anymore, but, Fair Point. Etcetera.)
-- singular_sound
You 100% brought the hostility to the situation. Multiple people gave you considered advice on your designs and you just got more and more resentful of the fact they told you things you didn't want to hear.